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Im fed up of walking my dog through crap, observed these parents sitting in the corner smoking, and before anyone says it, this is nothing to do with race,colour or creed, I politely placed their sh** which they decided to dump on the bench and walked away.  I will put my gloves on tomorrow and sweep the area.

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All the local parks and roads are like this. There seems to be substantial number of Eastern European men who drink in the street/parks and dump their empties wherever they feel like.

Littering is not exclusively an Eastern European phenomenon. I don’t condone irresponsible behaviour. However, I have some sympathy for people who are exploited by their employers and by their landlords. If I lived in a tiny room with shared bathroom and kitchen, I wouldn’t be enjoying a libation alone indoors in a windowless coffin. I’d be outside. If I couldn’t afford to drink in pubs and if I didn’t feel welcome in the pubs, I’d probably head for an open space. Faced with harsh social and living conditions, I might find myself over-indulging and not being conscious of my social responsibilities. It is an irony that post-Brexit, these men will be gone and our own rubbish could pile up for want of workmen to collect it. 

Unfortunately Michelle is right. It is Eastern European men who I countlessly witness peeing/drinking In the alley way or local park. I don't care where you are from, what colour your skin is, lf I lived in a tiny room I would not pee or litter in a park where children play in.

You beat me to it LJD and may i say how very enterprising of them to make a mess so that they can then be employed to clear it up.

MICHAEL, so according to you, if I live under terrible conditions, I can wake up each morning, and be all like 'oh I live in a terrible flat, how can I be a professional victim today because I'm the only person in London who lives like this, hmm, Iet me abandon my social responsibilities and throw my beer cans in the street and pee against a wall' really?

Please don't put your words in my mouth. They leave a sour taste. Let me repeat for you, I have sympathy for people in difficult social conditions, but I don't condone their irresponsible behaviour.

My words? You said people faced with harsh conditions might find themselves over indulging and not being conscious of social responsibilities, now you are saying you don't condone irresponsible behavior, make your mind up mate

Outside of the middle-class bubble of Myddleton Road there is a lot of undesirable people in the area.

eg People drinking in the street, littering, flytipping, drug-dealing, businesses which are a front for illegal activity/money laundering, drivers speeding/ignoring traffic signs, misuse of blue badges

The police/council either don't care, or don't have the resources

Meanwhile the area continues to go downhill. Take a walk up the high road from Wood Green to the North Circular and tell me the area has improved in the last ten years, it hasn't.

Not sure it helps to label the people we think are doing this.  Is there anything we as a community can do to help the situation? Pointing the finger at the council is an obvious one but they can't be everywhere at once and neither can the police.  LJD made a non-confrontational stand to tackle negative behaviour. We could consider following this example as a community and set expectations, for instance by pointing out behaviour we don't approve of or picking up some of the litter ourselves.  I am not suggesting anyone should put themselves in a situation in which they don't feel safe, by the way.

Try telling people to pick their rubbish up and see what reaction you get 90% of the time. You will just get abuse.

I agree with you that people aren't considerate about dumping their rubbish but I still maintain labelling people isn't helpful - focus on tackling the behaviour instead. I clearly remember walking behind someone on Bounds Green Road not so long ago who dropped a load of rubbish on the floor and I said and did nothing. I regret it every time I think about it.  Every night this week I've walked down my street past two neatly tied carrier bags full of rubbish, dropped against lamp-posts as if that's some attempt at making it acceptable, as if the council should stop by every lamp-post expecting a carrier bag of rubbish to be there ready to picked up.  It's unacceptable and I shouldn't have walked by but as a result of this conversation I'm going to go out and put them in my bin. I recognise its a small gesture. 

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