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Residents living in the Enfield part of the Bowes & Bounds area have received a leaflet on Monday from Enfield Council about the proposed Bowes Quieter Neighbourhood Scheme. A scan of the leaflet, including a map of the scheme is attached below. 

The Friends of the Green, Bounds Green (FGBG) want to know what you think about the proposed plans. Enfield Council have released a perception survey, but it is the group's understanding that a consultation will be done later on when the trial is up and running. The group thinks that is too late so they want to hear your views now as big changes are coming. The measures are planned to be implemented in August and September.

They would be grateful if you could take part in a short survey; the results of which will be fed back to Enfield and Haringey Councils.

The survey is available on their website: https://fgbg.org.uk/

Please complete it before midnight on 28th July 2020.

 

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Campaigners in Bowes approached BPCA, met face to face and followed up via email to engage regarding the Bowes LTN campaign but it didn't seem to be a priority at the time. I'm sure that willingness to engage still exists. Are you in Haringey and in the proposed Haringey LTN area? A joined up approach is needed to compel Haringey to follow up on their LTN application for Bounds Green.

As the Chair of the BPCA, I was included on a zoom call on 23 July with a number of residents and action groups. All groups known of at the time were invited to attend. Reps from Friends of the Breen, Bounds and Bowes Voices, BG&DRA (Bounds Green District Residents Association), Friends of Brownlow Road, Bounds Green Residents Association, TARA (Three Avenues Residents Association), and BHORA (Broomfield Houseowners and Residents Association) attended. Warwick Road Action Group and Better Streets did not.

 

It should go without saying that each different group had different priorities and the only consensus reached was that we wanted to inform residents of the proposals, as communications had been lacking, and push for a democratic implementation of any plans in Enfield and beyond. The BPCA funded a flyer (that had a map of the proposal on one side and a survey that had been reviewed by an independent data analyst on the other) in order to inform residents and collect opinions and data. As already mentioned below, we also funded a stall at the Myddleton Road Market to help inform residents of the Enfield LTN and Haringey’s proposals.

It's unreasonable for one group of people to take all the pain on behalf of everyone.  We've already learnt from previous traffic negotiations that this process needs serious, detailed consultation between representatives of the different areas. 

It's inevitable that if traffic is being directed away from one area, it will land in another so this needs to be managed very carefully.  

Whittington Road suddenly feels like a much busier place so I dread to think how it feels to live on Clarence Road and Truro Road, where I've now witnessed back to back traffic queues in the mornings to get onto an already jammed Bounds Green Road. 

So, that's great that people in Bowes are enjoying the bliss but I'm afraid it's at great cost to their neighbours in Bowes Park.  Ignoring the impact on your near neighbours is not the most constructive way for Enfield Council or the residents of Bowes to proceed.  

As with the consultation that led to the no right turn at the top of whittington road , one can see only a select few of residents  have the spare time to delve into the pos and cons of what effect the closure of the right tirn would have on local business ,bearing in mind the builders depot , tile warehouses etc require a quick right turn,

 naturally the loudest support came from the residents of the top half of whittington who were of the opinion that the no right turn would result in less traggic jams at the top of whittington road,

The problems are further aggravated because residents come from two boroughs and some of the resients in the haringey end are anti enfield borough and vice verse.

i live in haringey , but in my opinion we should not be tempted to put all our energies albeit  a select few  into  attacking enfield because they  got in first , but concentrate on how we can  stop the rat run on

1 palmerston road

2 clarence / truro and trinity road

3 whittington road 

rather than make the botton of whittington road no entry  no exite we made the top of whittington no right turn 

we cut of our noses to spite our faces , there is now a clear run for traffic to use whittington road and palmerston road as a substitute route to  brownlow road ,

i suggest as a temporary measure , we make the bottom of whittington no entry no exit , ie the enfield side,  reopen the right turn  on bounds green road,   , consult with trades people  on this.Caroline said she would not concede on this , although it wasnt her brainchild , i can understand her concerns , if the no exit no entry at the bottom end of whittington is not  introduced simultaneously .

if there is increased traffic on thorold . manor . northbrook make these no entry roads .

we must ensure that displaced traffic through this measure adversely effects our sister roads , palmerston , clarence , rinity . nightinggale  and truro road..

i have lived in the area sice 1979 ,and have sen the deimse and destruction of the shopping arena, hence why i would like there to be direct access to a right turn on bounds green road but compensated by a no entry no exit into whittington road ,

we require cobbled pavements , more litter bins , street cameras . and benches for the elderly .to encourage the locals to give cars and bikes a break. too.

Quite right. Data shows Warwick Road and Brownlow Rd were 'taking the pain on behalf of everyone'. Residents have spent years campaigning, spent endless hours of their own time and have done something about it, good on them I say. Campaigners reached out to a residents' association in Bowes Park to discuss what was being proposed. Haringey has put in a bid for an LTN - do you wish to campaign for an area solution? Incidentally I've observed traffic on Bounds Green Rd to be free flowing in both directions every morning this week (and Brownlow and A406).

Can you add Nightingale Road to your list please?

i added nightingale road to the list ,  i presume  Matthew was agreeing wiith the statement , that we should not be  annoyed with residents in our  sister borough, because th years of campaigning has paid  off . 

It  does seem strange that when we fought for the no right turn at the top of whittington , it would have been evident that this action would inevitably result  in cars turning into plamerston, nightingale truro clarence and the doing a u turn to join the traffic going right on bounds green road. there was not a whisper of discontent and it slipped through without opposition.

It  does seem to me much of the concerns may be due to sibling  rivalry   and which side of the fence ones political leanings may lie. i hope i have got it wrong in respect of the present  furore ., 

 

Hi, so I haven’t driven down Warwick road for a while - and there has been massive change in the area.. I needed to access Evesham Road - so I drove down where The Ranelagh Pub is / after I had driven through - a local resident stopped me to tell me that I’m going to get an £80 fine. It is a route I’ve used my whole life.
The traffic was absolutely chocca along the A406 and Bounds Green.
Surely they should put a gate there too? I’ve lived in this area for 30+ years. Does that mean that the only way to access the area is through Brownlow and out onto the A406 via Highworth. I needed to go back the other way / so found myself having to turn left to then go through Wilmer way to take me all the way round so I could easily access the A10. Are these new measures something that everyone is happy with? And is it even legal how it was suddenly put up.
I have received a response from Haringey - Danny Gayle
Team Manager Traffic Engineering Projects
Very polite but basically saying any changes have to be funded by TFL and there is no money in the pot
Any investments are currently being made only in social distancing awareness
This bought to mind the question of where Enfield is sourcing money and why are they choosing now to experiment?

Thanks Andy , this precisely what i was trying to highlight, it is not our business how enfield borough is sourcing their income. , The Bowes   residents went into hybernation after the council conceded and banned the right turn on bounds green road,

Enfields rate payers are entitled to raise finances and spend their finances as they wish  subject to taking the usual due diligence measures.

i live in haringey , but so often is see  us making snide comments against  enfield , this is not setting a good example to the younger generation , 

Clearly one   should be taking  enfield taking up ones  objections  with TFL 

The anti Enfield phobia towards the neighbouring borough must be suppressed at the very least/, you only have to reread the comments , when i first raised the no right turn issue , to see how deep rooted this attitude is..

I hope this response is helpful and that I have followed the thread properly. The introduction of a Low Traffic Neighbourhood in Bowes has been Enfield Council policy since mid-2019 following a years-long campaign by residents and Enfield's analysis of the traffic issues facing the area. In the wake of COVID-19 the government made funding available for street-space schemes that would improve quality of life for local people. This is because the government foresaw that COVID-19 would change behaviour and reduce use of public transport, meaning more people would use their cars. This has become a fact, the data for London shows a significant increase in traffic and car use because fewer people are using the tube and the bus, for example. LBEnfield rightly saw that Bowes, having been blighted by through-traffic for years due to its situation on a corner of the North Circular, would become a victim to the increased traffic levels. It applied for the funding that the government had made available for precisely this circumstance and was successful; it already had ideas on the table after listening to residents' concerns. The funding (which is £100,000.00) has come from Department for Transport and has enabled LBEnfield to bring forward its plan for Bowes and to consult residents in parallel with a trial of the measures. Haringey has, in response, declared its own intention to implement an LTN. Residents should engage as they have an opportunity to make hugely beneficial changes.

Interesting points Matthew, thank you for shedding some light on the Enfield process
I hope that my comments were not interpreted as 'Enfield bashing' they were intended to prompt a share of information.
The problem for our residents is often exasperated by the fact that the two councils do not appear to coordinate their activities and what is plainly obvious is that working in isolation has negative impacts.
I spent quite some time making a proposal for the Truro/Nightingale rat runs and currently, can report that Haringey has no plan or funding for this part of our neighbourhood
I believe it is their LTN2 which has not been published so cannot be responded to.
Clearly the current scheme being tested is causing mayhem and as resident

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